Curse

Cybah · Jul 14, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

I never saw a strength +45 -2 stance shield. And I got a hexed from shiverpeaks months ago... strange. are u sure there was a +45 -2 for req strength?

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 14, 2006, 05:05 PM // 17:05

The problem is not with this part of the update:

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Updated shields, armors, and runes with damage reduction abilities so that they only reduce physical damage.

it's with this part:

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Increased the inherent armor level on all unique (green text), promotional, crafted, and collector shields so that they behave the same way as other shields when the characters equipping them do not meet the necessary attribute requirement.

The Crimson Carapace Shields were collector shields, so when all collector shields needed to be 'fixed' to perform in the new way, we got a global update that changed all items ever obtained from a collector into the new versions of themselves rather than 'fixed' versions of their old selves.

It's a shame and a waste, but it's not coming back since it seems all Rankor CCS need to be updated at the same time, and rolling them back to +45/-2 stats would mean 'breaking' some +60/-3 shields people may have gotten legitimately after the collector was changed.

Former Ruling · Jul 14, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

Exactly, its in the way they updated the collector's shields.

In common man terms, they probably just 'deleted' all collectors stuff and replaced it with the new versions of that collectors shield. And all shields from that Camp Collector were grouped together as the "shield from that collector" and were all changed to the current version of that shield when the text and no req functions were updated.

Aramaki · Jul 14, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Cybah

I never saw a strength +45 -2 stance shield. And I got a hexed from shiverpeaks months ago... strange. are u sure there was a +45 -2 for req strength?

Yes there is, but from Factions.
Guard Captain Mirkoz
Location: Saint Anjeka's Shrine
Collects: 5 Dredge Incisors
* Wooden Buckler, Armor: 16 (req. 9 Strength)
Health +45 (while in a Stance)
Reduces physical damage by 2 (while in a Stance)

Lets Get to Healing · Jul 14, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Desert ones were kept the same.
Rankor ones were changed.

It is the most obvious thing ever.

Seissor · Jul 14, 2006, 07:01 PM // 19:01

The shield you posted loveably known as the runners shield got switched a long time ago to the hex shield. The stats you displayed. This switch is old.

But whats happened is this. You got your runners shield from the shiverpeaks and not the desert. So you got the original shield.

They updated the collector outside rankor so his shield now says -3 PHYSICAL dmg. And ANET bungled it up, so all pre-nerf runner shields acquired north of rankor magically turned into the collector shield you got there.

I bet anyone with a runner shield acquired in the desert still has the same stance stats.

Expect this screw up to be fixed.

NekoZ · Jul 14, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

We all know that, but I highly doubt they will fix it.

Jetdoc · Jul 14, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Honestly, both shields are pretty much terrible now. The true value of the stance shield was the -2 damage reduction while you were tanking or running.

Now, that -2 damage reduction is only against physical damage, which makes them much less desireable.

The +45 Health is nice, but I'd much rather have the +30 Health always than the very conditional +15 Health.

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 14, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

Honestly, both shields are pretty much terrible now. The true value of the stance shield was the -2 damage reduction while you were tanking or running.

Now, that -2 damage reduction is only against physical damage, which makes them much less desireable.

The +45 Health is nice, but I'd much rather have the +30 Health always than the very conditional +15 Health.

It's still worth it for runners, IMO. Most of the time you'd be taking damage you have some sort of a stance on (Sprint, Balanced) which means you've got +15 health over a +30 always shield. A ranger runner could potentially get even more benefit due to possible run stance spam (Dodge, Zojun's Haste, Storm Chaser). The -2 damage is still useful against arrows, but that's about it.

So it's a nerf, and potentially one that could lead a lot of people to stop using the shield altogether and reduce the market for it tremendously, but there will still be people willing to use it and it will still carry some value.

toon-a-loon · Jul 14, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

God damnit. I didn't want my sheild to change. There was a reason why I had a stance shield. So when i go running I can -2 dmg. This is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing annoying.

Andy_M · Jul 14, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by eudas

Actually, if you think about it, making absorption apply only to physical damage doesn't "weaken warriors", it "strengthens elementalists". It's a subtle, but clever, way to make ellies more worthwhile as better damage-dealers.

eudas

Very true. But for us PvE players it's a complete PITA - as usual..

Gaile Gray · Jul 14, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Good catch. I just heard from two designers, and they told me this: We messed up and we'll be doing a live build this afternoon to furnish you the mean to make an exchange. After the live build goes up, look for a collector in Snakedance who will allow you to exchange the Hex shield for a Stance shield.

There will be no cost for this. (Yes, I asked twice to be really sure.

) Just talk to the new guy and he'll make the swap!

Thanks for pointing out the error and stop by Snakedance to make the exchange at your convenience.

snikerz · Jul 14, 2006, 09:54 PM // 21:54

i can confirm @ OP, this also happened to me

edit. i shoulda skipped to the end, gj gail, appreciate it, i dyed my shield black even

Fyre Brand · Jul 14, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Good catch. I just heard from two designers, and they told me this: We messed up and we'll be doing a live build this afternoon to furnish you the mean to make an exchange. After the live build goes up, look for a collector in Snakedance who will allow you to exchange the Hex shield for a Stance shield.

There will be no cost for this. (Yes, I asked twice to be really sure.

) Just talk to the new guy and he'll make the swap!

Thanks for pointing out the error and stop by Snakedance to make the exchange at your convenience.

Thank you for the information Gaile. Haha. I caught the "no cost" joke too. Nice!

VitisVinifera · Jul 14, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Good catch. I just heard from two designers, and they told me this: We messed up and we'll be doing a live build this afternoon to furnish you the mean to make an exchange. After the live build goes up, look for a collector in Snakedance who will allow you to exchange the Hex shield for a Stance shield.

There will be no cost for this. (Yes, I asked twice to be really sure.

) Just talk to the new guy and he'll make the swap!

Thanks for pointing out the error and stop by Snakedance to make the exchange at your convenience.

between this and the event, did you guys fire all your testers?

Former Ruling · Jul 14, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Of course the cost will be 50gp per shield swap.

(yes, I read Gaile's post...don't even quote this post, just playing off the cost thing).

Silabus The Rebirth · Jul 15, 2006, 12:50 AM // 00:50

The update was only supposed to change the shield from this guy:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Hagnon_Warblade

Mr D J · Jul 15, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

>_> Good thing I sold mine about 7 months ago

Gaile Gray · Jul 15, 2006, 12:52 AM // 00:52

More good news. If you shield is dyed, you should see the same colour on your replacement, according to our Items Expert.

Xenrath · Jul 15, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Hope you brought your rune of superior fire absorption Gaile hehe some mighty annoyed people on the forums today